Thinking of getting a 480

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Thinking of getting a 480

Post by Chris71 » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:32 pm

Hi,

First of all, hello as I'm new to the site :D

I'm thinking about getting a 480. I need something cheap, economical, reliable and practical to serve as a second vehicle to my kit car and rather than go for the usual bland Japanese hatch back I thought a 480 might have a little more character. Just here to find out a bit more about them really....

First questions are what are reliability and fuel economy like on a decent example? What's the load space like? - I want a smallish car for parking in London, but with folding rear seats and decent space to stick my mountain bike in the back. Finally, any common issues to look out for?

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Post by JohnTurbo » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:37 pm

I need something cheap, economical, reliable and practical to serve as a second vehicle
Lol, you're in the wrong place!!

Nah, seriously you have to find a well cared for late example to stand a chance of good reliability. That said they very rarely dump you anywhere!!

Economy's not too bad. 35mpg combined for a 1.7 or 2.0 is about right, or 28ish for a turbo.

YOu'd get a bike in the back, theres not bad space with the seats fwd, access isn't ideal though.

Certainly have character!
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Post by Chris71 » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:22 pm

What are the main issues? I know the electrics can be a bit problematic and I'm told they don't seal very well.....

One other idea (on the subject of Volvos!) was something like a 360GLT. That and the usual collection of small French/Japanese hatchbacks.

It's going to be a workhorse, so don't plan to spend mega bucks on a concours car, but I'm not looking to buy a shed either. Not too worried about performance (for this one anyway!) so one of the naturally aspirated cars would be fine. The only possibly expensive thing I would like is air con as I'm told they get rather warm.

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Post by macaroni » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:39 pm

Hi and welcome.

Before I chipped/decatted and MBCd my turbo, I could easily get an average of 34mpg, driven sensibly.
I struggle to get 30 now, but there are other benefits...

I got a 1994 turbo and it has been very reliable, so far. The main issues seem to be electrical or water ingress related.

I know of a tatty, but solid 340GLE 1.7 for sale for £300 including a years MOT if you're interested.

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Post by martinholmesuk » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:41 pm

Hi,

Avoid the turbo model for a more easy life. I feel the main problems are

idle
pop ups
rear wiper
rusty wheel arches
leaking rear clusters
faded rear clusters (for those who care like me) I got :D
suspension needing new bushes and such but it's normal (there old)
infocenter crapping out
window motors braking (the plastic clips do)
leather seats wear on the bolsters
seat belt arms snap off

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Post by Dan the 480 Man » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:50 pm

Hi Chris...

As per JT's post really. They can be real bargains, or real sheds. I don't think there's a happy medium between price/condition/mileage atm. I know eBay has quite a few on regularly, but i know there have been several eBay buyers on here who have had nothing but trouble from theirs. But saying that, there are no doubt some good ones out there-just be aware of the whole bidding addiction on eBay-i've seen 480's sell for more than they're worth...

Weak points. Engines and g/boxes are generally pretty good as long as well maintained. Electrics can be tempremental-electric windows are known to go (but aren't difficult to replace as i just found out), electric sunrooves have been know to pack up, but a rareity. The 'Info Centre' can be a pain-more often than not it's down to dry solder joints or connections-i've only seen a few members junk them completely. Pop-up headlights can be another point-i've never changed one but am aware they can be quite difficult!

Water leaks...round the rear tailgate, the seals from the lights, the rear quater windows can let it in, and as i found recently too, the quater glass in the front doors can also let it in.

Other bad points...rusty arches-they can be pretty bad, but it's a 480 thang unfortunately! And squeaky interiors!

Put off yet? :lol: But they are common things-not all 480's are like it, otherwise people wouldn't keep buying them! They are a nice and comfortable car, strong and safe-the spec is very good-compare it to cars of similar age/size/price and you can see where your money's going. Parts are usually pretty easy to get hold of through the forum-there seems to be a few being broken of late-which is a shame, but good as it keeps others alive!

They tend to be marmite cars...love 'em or hate 'em! I was converted, and i don't regret it. And it's nice to have something different-still a head turner even theough the design is just over 20 years old. Brilliant.

1.7i's i'm told are quite thrashy-but still responsive, 1.7 T is great fun, especially with a Rich Mod, the 2.0i is supposed to be a nice smooth drive (had a 1.7i 440 & 2.0i 440 and both were good to drive, although the 1.7i was a bit gutless for a 440, the 2.0i was much better).

'Bangs for bucks', it can't be beaten. A very addictive car, even with it's problems! You'll find loads of help on here if you do get one and if you don't...well, your loss really ;)

Good luck!
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Post by Dan the 480 Man » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:54 pm

And Martins just being negative about the Turbo... (c'mon Mart, it was cursed)-people have had plenty of Turbo's that have been problem free, myslef included. The only real problems i've encountered have been wear and tear. My Dad had a 360GLT...hated it, but it just pulled and pullled and pulled! I think the last owner scrapped it as the front suspension top mounts had rusted through! :shock:

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Post by martinholmesuk » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:59 pm

Nah Dan, Turbo 480s are worse to look after.

I'm not being negative I'm being honest and Vader has nothing to do with why I said it.

You go through the threads and see how many 480ES have issues then see how many turbo cars have problems.

Hell I would always have the turbo because there just ermm better etc but more work but I know my 480's so it's no problem.
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Post by Dan the 480 Man » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:03 pm

martinholmesuk wrote:You go through the threads and see how many 480ES have issues then see how many turbo cars have problems
I suppose you do have a point. Never having an ES i can't really comment on those i suppose-just basing it around mine/Dads ownership!
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Post by Rachel » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:39 pm

To be honest Martin....yeah Vader was trouble, but you got another Turbo...so they can't be that bad! Mine has been great, so like it has been said, if you can source a well cared for Turbo it will be great. How about some positive points?? ;)
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Post by martinholmesuk » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:31 pm

I got another 480 because.....

I had a large amount of brand new parts
ford grandads just suck hard then a packet of wurthers and if you saw me in an ES then I would never live it down!
I do like them (if they work well)

Of course your 480 works! I looked it over ;)

Go back to the start of why I got a turbo.

I got it to cheer myself up while starting a divorce. I wanted a mint 480 and lots a few rusty ones and went for Vader. I knew the moment I drove it home that it was the wrong 480 and because I test drove it with 3 people I thought that's why it was so slow.

Body = Super
mechs = more flimys then tissue paper soaked with man juice

That was VADER, My current 480turbo never misses a beat and I'm really pleased with it.

I made Vader into that evil machine because I made it into something it was never meant to be.

Before this I had spent vast amounts putting things right but then went crazy and super modded it and blew pistons / gearbox up etc.

it was not all Vaders fault.

480's are good if you don't rag them silly like I did. I wont be rich modding mine etc again however I did rich mod it for a week and yeah it went really fast but I took that ECU out at Tescos and drove back to yours and never looked back. I got a spitfire for fun (when it's done) my advice....

Fit a rich mod on the turbo 480
enjoy it
it wont go bang with a stage 1
sort the suspension

Enjoy because it's a cheap top class funmobile!

Get a ES if you want a few less problems that's all I meant.
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Post by Chris71 » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:13 am

Dan the 480 Man wrote:Hi Chris...

As per JT's post really. They can be real bargains, or real sheds. I don't think there's a happy medium between price/condition/mileage atm. I know eBay has quite a few on regularly, but i know there have been several eBay buyers on here who have had nothing but trouble from theirs. But saying that, there are no doubt some good ones out there-just be aware of the whole bidding addiction on eBay-i've seen 480's sell for more than they're worth...

Weak points. Engines and g/boxes are generally pretty good as long as well maintained. Electrics can be tempremental-electric windows are known to go (but aren't difficult to replace as i just found out), electric sunrooves have been know to pack up, but a rareity. The 'Info Centre' can be a pain-more often than not it's down to dry solder joints or connections-i've only seen a few members junk them completely. Pop-up headlights can be another point-i've never changed one but am aware they can be quite difficult!

Water leaks...round the rear tailgate, the seals from the lights, the rear quater windows can let it in, and as i found recently too, the quater glass in the front doors can also let it in.

Other bad points...rusty arches-they can be pretty bad, but it's a 480 thang unfortunately! And squeaky interiors!

Put off yet? :lol: But they are common things-not all 480's are like it, otherwise people wouldn't keep buying them! They are a nice and comfortable car, strong and safe-the spec is very good-compare it to cars of similar age/size/price and you can see where your money's going. Parts are usually pretty easy to get hold of through the forum-there seems to be a few being broken of late-which is a shame, but good as it keeps others alive!

They tend to be marmite cars...love 'em or hate 'em! I was converted, and i don't regret it. And it's nice to have something different-still a head turner even theough the design is just over 20 years old. Brilliant.

1.7i's i'm told are quite thrashy-but still responsive, 1.7 T is great fun, especially with a Rich Mod, the 2.0i is supposed to be a nice smooth drive (had a 1.7i 440 & 2.0i 440 and both were good to drive, although the 1.7i was a bit gutless for a 440, the 2.0i was much better).

'Bangs for bucks', it can't be beaten. A very addictive car, even with it's problems! You'll find loads of help on here if you do get one and if you don't...well, your loss really ;)

Good luck!
Thanks - that seems pretty comprehensive! :)

It's intended as basic transport, so I'm not too worried about lazy electric windows or not getting an MPG read out. The only real concern is being stranded half way round the M25 one day (or it failing to start in the first place)

Can anyone give me an idea of typical 480 prices. Like I said, I'd quite like air con, but otherwise it can be poverty spec! I know they start very cheapily and likewise, I know they're starting to be regarded as a bit of a minor classic so some are holding their value very well. I guess I'm looking for something in between.

Think I'd definitely go for one of the naturally aspirated cars as I already have a weekend toy - this is mostly for wafting round the motorway commute and the occasional mountain biking trip.

Marmite or not, I've always kind of liked the look of them :)

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Post by MGB_GT » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:57 am

I was never stranded by mine, but you will find yourself having to spend a considerable amount on parts/labour to keep them in good order. Again, aside from a dead battery, in over two years it always started without even hesitating.

Prices are currently rock bottom, so no better time to buy. You'll be wanting a GT or Celebration model if you want AirCon, as this was standard on these models. Bear in mind AirCon cars have very rare altenators/PAS pumps amongst over parts, so try to make sure any car you buy will not need either or these replacing as if you can't find them second hand Volvo will sap your will to live with thier prices. If you decide on either of these Full Leather, 15" SE alloys will be yours also.

Standard ES cars come with Electric windows/mirrors/sunroof, an InfoCentre (this is also your fuel gauge so when it doesn't work you'll have no idea how much fuel you have left). Alloys are again standard. Ideally go for a 94+ car in any case (usually noticable as they have clear indicators, not orange ones). These all have additional saftey equipment, including a Drivers AirBag, ABS, Pre-Tensioners and are all round a much better car, some of the early models have real problems and much of this was improved with the final batch. S Models are actually fairly rare, so why pay the same for less? Frankly the spec of S models is all over the place as most had optional equipment.

Go for the 2.0i engine, it's not just got more tourqe, but is generally a better engine to start with, 1.7's suffer from idling issues a lot which the 2.0 is less prone to. Again most 94+ cars are a 2.0i anyway so this is not a problem.

A good 2.0i will cost from £500-£1000 depending on condition/millage/seller. Bear in mind this is NOT a classic car, at least not yet, and they are loosing value year on year at an alarming rate, so if you do pay anything close to £1,000 then ensure it really is a top notch car, few in reality are. Celebs/GT's don't really go for much more than this, despite the fact they are ltd editions of 480/250 cars respectivley. In the 2 1/2 years I've owned one, I've never known it be hard to find a second hand GT or Celeb, so ignore anyone who tells you as a future classic it's going to be worth something. Also the AirCon in these is very cold indeed (unlike some more modern cars) so ensure this works, because faults are very costly to repair, however it's R13 so can be re-gassed for around £45.

I think that's everything, good luck finding one, the best advice is be patient, a lot of dogs are for sale every week, hold fire until you can get a cared-for one, usually those for sale on the forum by active members are the best ones. Because if nothing else, people here tend to be honest about what's wrong with thiers. Bear in mind you can pick one up for less than £200 if you're willing to take a chance a buy one with a few niggles. When you're driving the 480, you won't regret having bought it, but it's a love/hate relationship I find.
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Post by Chris71 » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:09 am

Superb.... thanks :)

Don't mind spending the best part of a grand on one if it's genuinely worth it, but there again, I have seen one for over £2000 and to me, it never would be at that price. I'm sure there are obsessive fans out there looking for show cars, but I only want it as a daily hack. That said, if it's comfortable, ok to drive and has plenty of life left in it I might end up keeping it for quite a while.

What's the practicality like? I gather they only have a small glass hacth rather than the usual full size hatchback arrangment, just wondered if this would be a problem loading bike frames?

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Post by MGB_GT » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:07 pm

To be honest, Volvo were ahead of thier time in almost every area of design, in some ways this created all the problems the car suffers from. True enough the glass hatch is not the biggest of spaces to get stuff through, but then both the rear seats and the front seat will pull forward with the rear's totally flat and the loadspace for a 2+2 Coupe is just unbelievable.

I fit two sets of 480 seats and a 480 door in one to transport parts. Also when I was helping a friend with a house move, we were able to fit more in my 480 than this 5-door escort at a time, which shocked me too! As for bikes, with wheels off it's dead easy to fit two possibly three with rear seats down, or a bike rack can be purchased. Volvo did a special one, but I'm sure you would get something from elsewhere that would fit a 480. Best to check at Halfrauds or somewhere like that first, as a Volvo one would be expensive. That said if they have one, Volvo might be in the region of £150 going on prices quoted for a 460.
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Post by Chris71 » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:47 pm

Yep, that's what I'd heard. Presume if it's a 3 door, the front seats fold forward for access to the back, so that might be another way in if the hatch posed a problem.

I've got an MG ZS at the moment and although theres a huge ammount of total space with the seats folded down, there is a (factory) strut brace and panels either side of it which don't fold down, meaning you can only actually make use of the space with things that fit through the gap.

As a result of this, you can't get more than one bike in despite the size of th car, even though I can happily fit 2 or even 3 bikes in the back of my friends diminutive pug 106!

Right, seen one which might be of interest - it's a GT priced at £1,200 but only has 45,000 miles and a FSH. So, pay close attention to any signs of PAS or alternator faults (wouldn't expect them anyway at what seems to be the upper end of the price range). Obviously any signs of leaks. Problems with the infocentre..... pop up lights working correctly.....

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Post by glasgowjim » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:43 pm

son recently put 3 bmx bikes easily in the back with only 1 seat folded down. the 3rd bike had its front wheel off but no problem for 3 bmx bikes and 3 adult sized people in a 480 :lol:

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Post by MGB_GT » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:06 pm

In addition to any check’s you’d usually carry out, these specific ones for a 480 may prove helpful:

The Pop-up lights should move up and down as a pair, and with a smooth sounding motion only. If you can put your head near the lights whilst they are raised and lowed, doing this about 4-5 times check there are no unusual sounds and that they move in tandem. If not, an expensive repair could be on its way.

PAS can be checked by simple putting the wheel lock to lock with the engine running and checking for a grinding sound. That said my GT was on 140k of a hard life and the PAS pump was only just starting to die. Alternators can’t really be checked easily, bear in mind the replacement is £280 if you can’t source a 2nd user part as the usual aftermarket non-OEM ones are not available for AirCon 480’s, they can go easily before 100k.

Also check the handbrake which should need two-four clicks to engage on a flat surface, if it goes high in the air or needs more clicks, you could be looking at expensive calliper repairs (common problem).

To check the InfoCentre and Speedo wiring is ok (again very common problems) give the top of the dashboard a few light taps (not so heavy that you upset the owner), this would generally bring to light any problems with bodged repairs or soon to be faults in this area.

Volvo mechanics used to call the 480 ES’s the 480 En-Suite due to the water leaks it suffers. They can be a royal pain, but can cause much worse damage. The main car ECU is in the passenger foot well on the left hand side under the glove box. If water has got into the passenger footwell, the likelihood is it came via the main car ECU and this will cause it to have problems. The best way to check for a leak here is to take up a bit of carpet and check visually underneath (or with your hand). The panel covering the door sill just pulls upwards, provided you do it carefully it shouldn't break, and you can then check under the carpet which will be the bare floor. Boot leaks are easier to spot, take out the boot floor lining and also the spare wheel cover/wheel. If you see any water or water-damage likely this has been or is still a problem. A common fault is the well for the spare wheel filling up and rusting out completely.

The brakes (if OEM parts are used) should be very strong indeed, if they are not then usually a set of pads (£90 approx F+R from Volvo) and a bleed with .4 fluid should get everything spot on again. Volvo pads are worth it, despite the high cost, they work better and last far longer than cheaper products.

ABS / SRS problems often occur with the age of 480’s and signs of a cover up are usually easily spotted. Ensure when the ignition is turned to pos. 2 they come on, but both go out within about 10 seconds. If they are on until engine is fired, someone’s been playing with them, so likely they don't work. Again for ABS, if possible do a harsh brake test to activate it, the pedal should judder under braking if all is ok. ABS sensors are £90 a piece new, ECU/Pump is £100 second hand so another expensive problem if all is not well. SRS repairs are silly money.

The other thing to remember is this is a sports car with Lotus suspension, it should handle like its on rails, although the PAS makes steering at some speeds feel very loose. If it doesn't hold the road tight and true, the suspension's may have taken a pounding or you'll be spending money on new bushes, these go quite a lot too. Of course the tyres condition/make will also affect handling greatly, it is much happier on medium-soft compound tyres and to save money go for 195x50 R15’s instead of recommended 195x55 R15’s, they handle slightly better and are around half the price!

£1,200 is a lot of money for a 480, although with the mileage/history it could well be worth it. I’d want assurance FSH means yearly servicing and not every 10k because otherwise it's not been properly maintained.

Good luck with everything, I had a GT until recently and if you can put up with the love it or hate it leather seats they are a great buy. Note also GT's should come with alloys as shown below, if not you can knock £300 of the price before you begin as these were SE alloys of which only 250 sets for the GT's were available in the UK and they are nigh on impossible to get hold of.

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Post by Chris71 » Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:49 am

Thanks - taht's exactly the sort of thing I was looking for :)

Unfortunately, the guy who sounded like he was gonna buy my current car has pulled out, so I need to find a new buyer before I can look seriously (need the space first!) suspect that car has gone already, besides, I'd rather look at a couple before shelling out over a grand one! Was right at the top of my price range, but allegedly mint.

Somewhat strangely, the number of GTs/Celebrations up for sale seems quite high (as a proportion of 480's for sale) Maybe they just tend to be the ones that have survived or something?

How much can be done to stop the various leaks? Is it just a matter of renewing the sealing material? Slightly worried that if I find a car that's been garaged all it's life and test drive it in the dry it'll spring a leak after a week on my drive!

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Post by JohnTurbo » Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:45 am

You're right....Celebs and GTs are ten a penny at the moment. Despite what anyone might tell you, all evidence suggests their price is still dropping, though certainly not plummeting by any means. Been a long while since i've seen a 480 bid over a grand on ebay. - It used to be commonplace.

Service is every 10000 miles or every year, whichever is shorter, so strictly if its only been serviced every 10000 on a low miler, thats not FSH.

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